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New to FFXIV:ARR? Choose your class carefully ;)

This is the place for Chillin', kicking back and relaxing. Talk about Final Fantasy. Don't make the Toppu Neko mad.

Below are just some observations from a 1st time newbie based on what I have seen in the beta. I know those who have played before know this and more. But surely there are others out there like me, I have seen and heard them in the game. :lol: So if we have other friends coming in for the open beta and they are new, too...then this might help. Everyone please feel free to add any additional advice.

Just a quick heads up of for those interested in Final Fantasy XIV:ARR and are considering your character build/class: your choice of class MATTERS in this game and you will be expected to play the traditional role that comes with that class. Your class also affects which city your begin the game in.

Those who have played FF before probably know that already. I had not and I have come across many others who did not know this, so I thought I would throw it out there for anyone coming into the game fresh. The game depends on teamwork and you do play in random teams often.

There is is something called 'duty finder' where you are matched with others looking for the same quest. You will be assigned a role according to your class and you will be expected to play according to that role. Here are the starting classes.

Gladiator - sword/shield - will be the TANK, best with one main boss *edited* JOB - PALADIN begin in Ul'dah
Marauder -great axe - can be TANK (best with mobs) or rarely DD (damage dealer) but only when partied with GLD *edited* JOB - WARRIOR begin in Limsa
Lancer - 2hand spear/polearm - will be DD JOB - DRAGOON begin in Gridania
Pugilist - hand-to-hand - will be DD JOB- MONK begin in Ul'dah
Archer - bow - ranged DD JOB - BARD begin in Gridania
Conjurer - cane/yew - HEALER (*not* damage dealer), CNJ will always be expected to be the healer of the group JOB - WHITE MAGE begin in Gridania
Thaumaturge - dagger/staff/sceptre - ranged DD using elemental forces, can be the healer in party ONLY if there is no CNJ - meant to deal damage. *edited* JOB - BLACK MAGE begin in Ul'dah
Arcanist - this will be a spell class using grimoires & a pet Carbuncle, to be released in open beta JOBS - SUMMONER and SCHOLAR begin in Limsa

If you want to play in a 'unique' way (examples - bow tank, conjurer DD, gladiator DPS, etc.) then it would be my suggestion that you be prepared to find a few friends that would be willing to quest with you *all the time, every time* - because the game will not lend itself to odd role combinations.

Several people in the game beta have mentioned that they were not aware of the role that they would be expected to play when they chose their class. Many come from other games where the class was a different role (in WKC - mage was great at damage, spear was great tank for example). Some chose class based simply on weapon preference, not aware of the role attached to it.

This is why I wanted to try to give some advice in advance of the game launch and the open beta. I hope this helps anyone else new to the game.[/i]




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Agreed, I've seen a lot of random people talking outside dungeons, Gladiators talking about being a Damage Dealer and not a tank, for example. But yeah, I've seen various combinations of class and a player that wants to play against class just because. Some from WKC will remember the 'fail' classes where a player would specifically play in a way that was more suited to a completely different class from the one their weapon was associated with. I definitely agree that class and role are closely linked in FFXIV and that people need to be clear on their choice and live with that choice, or choose again to find something that matches their playing style.

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I definitely agree that the game is more rigid with class restrictions.

I do think Marauder and Warrior count as Tanks though, not Damage Dealers. You get all the same means of generating enmity as Gladiator/Paladin. The main difference the way I see it is Gladiators are Defense focused and Marauders are HP focused.
Mainly though, Marauders count as Tanks for the Duty Finder, so I'd say the intention of the class is clear.

That's actually my main worry with the Duty Finder. Out of the starting classes Marauder, Lancer, Archer, Conjurer, Thaumaturge, Pugilist and Gladiator, the Duty Finder sees 2 tanks, 4 Damagers, but only 1 healer. Assuming that the Jobs will count as their respective class in the Duty Finder, only Arcanist may fill another healer spot, probably through the Scholar job at any rate. Either way it seems extremely narrow to necessitate a healing class and only look for 1 specific class to fill that role.
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Okay, I edited MRD.

I knew MRD could tank, but didn't know they were considered a tank. The only time I have had a MRD dropped into my party in duty finder was not as a tank. The party was GLD, MRD, THM, CNJ. I have also had GLD, PUG, MRD, CNJ. The only time I have had MRD as a tank was in a private party.




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I'll have to double check, but IIRC my thaumaturge began with daggers and can use wand/staff/stave whateveryouwanttocallit. Not sure if I ever found or could use a scepter.
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Having played MRD in a group now as both tank and DD, I have to say its damage output is quite lacking compared to the real DDs. Tanking went quite well though, although we did have a great CNJ with us. Keeping hate was easy-peasy though.

I won't disagree that it's a bit of a mix, but ultimately I definitely see it as a tank that's more of a brute, compared to the more "elegant" GLD. It can deal some average damage, but I wouldn't want it as my sole DD in the party unless it's just friends having a good time. I haven't seen Berserk in action though, I'll admit that (and Berserk was sexy as hell in FFXI).

Edit: Oh and while things can always change until it's officially inside the game, but Arcanist is described as a debuffer so far. With Carbuncle being able to either debuff or tank based on which version you summon. Its upgraded jobs seem like they will, on the other hand, be a DD like THM/BLM and a healer like CNJ/WHM, just with pets (SuMmoNer and SCHolar respectively.)
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Just was browsing wiki, when I found http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fa ... alm_Reborn which suggests that arcanist will be a support class.
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Based on data mining, Arcanist itself will have DoT magic and a non-elemental magic spell. So a magic DD. It'll also have ways to buff its defense and heal its Carbuncle.
Its Carbuncle will come in two versions: one doing magical damage, and one being a tank.

Obviously this may still change come phase 4/final game, but this was what was mined up from the phase 3 data.
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Hey quick question now that we talking about classes. Can archers be considered secondary healers? don't know archer skills but i ask cause had friend that was archer and was pretty sure his limit was healing team. :???:
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Nope. Archer itself is a damage dealing class, but its Job is a support class. I don't know how well it would do using its limit (not familiar with it, so I'll just take your word) and CNJ spells as a support healer, but main healing is out of the question.

It seems like Scholar will be another healer next to White Mage, although you'd have to play Arcanist first which doesn't look to be a healer, unlike Conjurer for White Mage.
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I'm beginning to really dislike the Arcanist class and it hasn't even begin yet. lol

It will be the be-all-end-all that everyone will want to play. It is new and shiny and gets the special toy and 2 jobs - one of which will be a healer.

I hope they keep white mage as the main healing class. Otherwise I see myself going into crafting full time.




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I think you're worrying too much. I do admit that ACN possibly being able to tank, SMN DD and SCH heal - thus having a holy trinity by just equipping and unequipping gems is quite powerful (although does anyone know just how smoothly one can switch jobs?), the classes/jobs themselves will probably be balanced well. And if unbalanced, it'll get fixed the next update.

And sure, everyone and their mothers will try anything that's new and shiny; same with new jobs coming the next expansion or something, but I've seen that happen before and even if there's new replacements, the older jobs will still be played as well and people will go back to what they like to do the most.
As a matter of fact, in FFXI I've only seen 2 jobs being abandoned completely (seriously, when I did a server search, both had less than 20 people playing that job) were the newest 2 (out of 3) jobs at that time. Of course on day 1 they were all over the place, but it quieted down pretty quickly. So yea, no worries.
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Good to know, Ronny. :)

It just seems that from what we have heard at this point that ARN seems a bit unfair but like you said, we don't know how it works so it may not be as powerful in those areas or easy to switch.

Healing is what I like to do. I got indignant enough in ph3 at people saying that THM could heal better than CNJ. lol I would hate to have to paw-slap a few for saying the same about another class, too.

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